You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. Church Directory Sub-pages. I attend an IFB church. We never shun people who leave the church. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. Updates? I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. It is well also to note that these five distinctives are traits also of the true New Testament church! @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. For example, G.L. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. Independent Baptist - Wikipedia A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. So what is the solution? Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. Hello, Lynne, I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. I agree! 4.) I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. Gilbert Independent Baptist Church It was founded by Roger Williams, according to the teachings and example of the New Testament. It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. 5. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. Jim Boorujy - Assistant Pastor - Fellowship Baptist Church | LinkedIn Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. Anyone who differed with the practices of the State church were subject to great persecution. As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. Robert Fry Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception, 75. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). 3) tell you what to wear (John the Baptist probably wouldnt be allowed in most IFB churches Just some thoughts. The natural question then to ask is, What makes a person a true Baptist? In examining the history of Baptists and determining what makes up a genuine and true Baptist, five distinctives should be noted. Jesus was prophesied in the old testament. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse - News & Reporting You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! Right down to exactly a tenth. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. North Dakota Independent Baptist Churches - Tripod In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: Have a look at Matthew 15. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. . Share this: 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. Lynne, why is tithing so important to you anyway? I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. Im all about modest clothing, but I cant tell you how many sermons I have sat through where the man of God railed against women wearing slacks. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. One man Hanserd Knolleys, is an example of dissenter of the Church of England who had to flee to America. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. Please excuse me. Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. Sarah Silverman pastor comments: New Independent Fundamental Baptist KJV Church Directory. Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. They do not accept that authority was given to any particular man, pope, prophet, group or church on earth to be the means of the salvation of men. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. PO BOX 292. halftruth and deception ministries. He had a few different views and was eventually censured (kicked-out) from the Presbyterian church in 1809, so he eventually started his own church. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. The first church was founded there in 1688, in Middletown and was made up of many who had fled persecution in the other colonies. ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. A Church Directory For Independent Baptists Im sorry Brother Irv, but you are wrong. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. His resources are free from this sight. HWY 3 NW. preaching from the Old King James Bible that you "must be born again" and "Jesus and the Bible come first". You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. This is known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Filter Churches. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. He then baptized himself (which is not biblical) and then the others of his congregation. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. Filter Churches. Members are encouraged to post contact information for such churches. God said He would preserve His church and that task was not left in the hands of fallible men or groups. That will suffice. We should never be arrogant in the word, instead humble. I think that you should go kill your children. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) fundamental, Baptist, church. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. @greg Greetings, That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times @bob The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. I heard an absolutely beautiful message, very uplifting, of course no singing, (Btw I like acapella singing, no biblical reason for it though) also didnt talk about baptism that day. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. There's only one way to heaven, and that . You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists - Truth and Song I really have an issue with this point. In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. The Reformers were those who protested against certain abuses within the Roman Catholic Church. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. Thank you. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. Jesus quoted the old testament. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. (P.S. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. Further, they reject so-called scriptures of modern day so called prophets. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. Henry Jacob. Enter city. My sister left the church years ago and is living in sin (even by the standards of other denominations so please dont take it out of context), but I talk to her every day. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. Theres no recourse. Therefore if a church is teaching Tithe is mandatory or sin if not donethey are I believe in error. Founded in June of 1980, International Baptist Missions is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. What does this have to do with our discussion? No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. KJB. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. Independent Fundamental Churches of America - Britannica The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. Why, because it was founded on Gods Word and there is no necessity that it have contact with some other church which belongs to a succession of churches. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. It has received 39 reviews with an average rating of 4.7 stars. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. 3:3). (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. Thats all. It became an independent church in 1746. 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