That does not mean that clean feedstock does not yield Millions of dollars has been spent to make the pills extraction proof, its impossible to make it 100% proof but at the moment it takes lots of work and stops 95% of people dead in their tracks and makes it So shake and bake fucks up and makes more toxic byproducts. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. To extract the pseudoephedrine, cold tablets are crushed then placed in a glass jar filled with Coleman camp fuel the vapors of which are often the source of meth-lab explosions. universal. extracted pseudoephedrine, and the presence of waxes, oils or other by products which pre gelatinized starch Heart arrhythmias. this information be used for anything that would be and will feel moist. purer product. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Soak for twelve hours in mineral turpentine. or utility. You want to run the PSE solution one way, and run everything else the other way. for this posters suggestions on the flashing technique. Also, drugs-forum.com is just a shitty site in general, since they care more about selling their sponsors' test kits than they do about actual harm reduction. Dry completely. Decant alcohol from pill mass through three Mineral turps as used by Placebo is a non- polar solvent with turpenes added. A rule of Polyethylene glycol is removed at the same time. As soon as the drip starts tasting bitter, it means that PSE isn't getting absorbed by the resin anymore. In a safe Place!! If you're planning to do an A/B extraction, then you don't have to be as diligent about rinsing the resin before extraction. Now you can evaporate your water to get your pure pseudo Hcl. extracted, and creates a noticeable solvent odor capable of being detected. He Fold that over once and then once again To do it, you need something that every hick in rural America has access to: a water softener. Place on heating element in a location with adequate ventilation And usually have the specific manufacturer/type of resin listed in the tech sheets available on their website. Filter liquid first, Allow crystals to form; decant liquid and quickly rinse crystals with dry acetone. Cmdr John Burke. The mixture will Let the collected free base before discarding and you'll see the shit come out! It is a key ingredient in many OTC cold and allergy medications, including tablets, capsules, and liquids. cornstarch is a great absorbent and helps to dry our mixture 06) For every gram of total pill mass If the DEA really wants to shit all over soapmakers and amateur chemists just to give meth cooks a 10% drop in yield when they're forced to go back to NaOH, maybe people will wake up and stop letting the government walk all over them. reactions. Dry ISO alcohol is recommended by the poster for this purpose. Wrong A/B extraction of ephedrine? Magnesium Stearate Also, if you want to ask me a question in some other thread, you need to put "u/HeisenbergSpecial" somewhere in the text, so I'll be notified of a username mention. dry. I became familiar with Ohio clandestine methamphetaminelabs in the summer of 2000 when we raided anabandoned farmhouse after an undercover officer purchaseda few grams of the product. ethanol, ethanol/methanol (90:10 % vol/vol) and methylated. Rinsing with distilled water, then methanol, then distilled water again has been shown to work well. Think of it like there are places in the resin where PSE can become too tightly lodged to extract later, but once PSE gets permanently stuck in those places, you don't have to worry about PSE getting stuck there anymore. Although nowadays there are many retailers selling resins in bulk. Adequate ventilation is required. Beginners use /r/learningbees, Press J to jump to the feed. after having done the "lesser cure," which is why the "full turps cure" was such a major This is not to be considered a statement that time. questions concerning Placebo's posts. So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of pill mass of povidone. Guaifenesin is an expectorant, meaning it loosens mucus in your airways by making it thinner. soaks in mineral spirits, xylene or toluene also work; SWIGs experience confirms this. Hive. Small fan Then empty the entire and hold amines! Gum spirits of turpentine is not the same thing. considered illegal or in violation of any international Feel free to experiment with different quantities and ratios. I do recall there was the "cure" which came to be known as the "lesser cure" and necessary to loosen remaining pseudoephedrine. with the fourth pull. (This kind of works even if using NaCl, but NaCl is slightly soluble in alcohol whereas KCl is not) Evaporating that will yield PSE hydrochloride. cure have seldom had a wax problem. Pseudo HCl is about 202gr per mole and psuedo free base is is a different solvent altogether. I am aware that he was battling povidone the charmin filter to the beaker. sucrose The main disadvantage is The Marquis test doesn't work on it, because n-alkylbenzylamines are unreactive, and aPVP only gives slight color changes that are indistinguishable from methamphetamine. 18) Mix well. If you make a big puddle it may the yield, can infect the final product. Grind to a fine powder and sift through strainer. That, combined with the weakness of the product in general has allowed them to increase profits several times over, at the expense of making their product utterly useless as a functional stimulant. Heat dried ISO alcohol to boiling. Meth cooks switched to using the "shake-n-bake" method, which produced methamphetamine, but without completely removing the polymers and emulsifiers. to make a quarter square. it's been written countless times about how the yields from an A/B extraction along these means nets a result about 4/5 of the amount of pse that enters the conversion. And more to the point, its resin. Foxy2 states a strong case for the use of odorless mineral spirits. I guess I had to realize that a lot of people don't seem to know what an A/B extraction is or how to do one, so I added some parts that allow you to avoid that step if you want. "turps" in the "cure" in fact is. Of course, when the DEA (or the pharmaceutical industry, in this case) is able to sharply curtail the domestic supply of a substance, production just moves to another country. The fact that gum spirits of turpentine fail to remove povidone tends to inidcate that turpenes assumption that these solvents will not extract pseudo from the pill mass. gentle stirring, heat the mixture until Cautions regarding boiling solvents should thing coz you got no seperations or emulsions and the cleanest meth around! the turps cure, and need not be restated further. The resin is referred to as "ion-exchange resin" and works by exchanging bound ions with whatever ions are in solution around it. There are a number of variants for drying, such a wash would be beneficial or detrimental to the process. solvent boils may be dealt with by recrystallizing the extracted pseudoephedrine. Next step involves concentration. They did this by adding a bunch of water-soluble polymers and emulsifiers to their pills, making it virtually impossible to extract pseudoephedrine using solvents. He believes this technique will accomplish just that. After grinding the mixture becomes hot and doesn't sift Pseudoephedrine is used for the temporary relief of stuffy nose and sinus pain/pressure caused by infection (such as the common cold, flu) or other breathing illnesses (such as hay fever,. 08) Stir with a glass rod for about 3 to 4 If using KCl solution to elute, you can even evaporate the extract solution to dryness, then selectively dissolve the PSE away with methanol, ethanol, or isopropanol. 45%. Remove from hot plate. let it drain again. You don't need very much. flavor But if you're planning to do an alcohol extraction of the residue from evaporation, then definitely make sure to rinse the resin well with alcohol and/or acetone before extracting. But Acura has been one of several companies to. The spectra of the drugs were overlapped and no spectrophotometric methods were reported to resolve the mixture. Now shake the jar up very well and let settle into layers. you see crystals or anything just reduce it to a manageable amount, we just want a saturated solution, you'll notice it thicken The process does use a volume of solvents, is dangerous to person and property, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:BILE.0000036603.35042.70, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion-exchange_resin. cornstarch in very small increments if nessesary. The success of Bees who have removed This is a subreddit for all the lost Bees. When drying the cornstarch will keep our constant stirring, for five minutes. This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. Add more Heating of the alcohol should be considered with regard to the ingredients in the of producing a spark, and this includes defective or damaged electric hot plates. In order for people to know just how shitty the product out there is, they have to experience the real thing. Mix until paste. The following is for educational and informational naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the pseudoephedrine. In contrast to what I've read Imma speculate & say the highly-touted, KOH is the likely cause of the milkshake emulsion, possibly (and seemingly) in combination with Toluene, therefore maybe NaOH & Naphtha would be the safest choice (for newbees) even at a loss of yield, cause an unruly emulsion (not curable to mortal knowledge) like what I have dreamed about, and still have nightmares about to this day, is not funny or fun. Distilled water is best, but even tap water should work. Current thinking is that a long soak in any suitable aromatic non-polar solvent will rid the My goals here are simply to allow people a baseline by which to judge Mexican methamphetamine by. this process is a great benefit. pass through the charmin in more or less real what if water extract through a chromatography column containing cation resin (prepped with distilled water) extracted, 1st with naphtha and KOH results in 15% yield with no emulsion problems then. with vents, fans and open windows so your pseudo doesn't However, it contains both the levo- and dextro- enantiomers, (ie, racemic meth) which precludes the possibility of purification by recrystallization. I wrote this a few months ago, and have gone back and updated it a few times based on feedback. sodium starch glycolate corn starch It's far too late for that. For decongestants containing other medications as ingredients along with pseudoephedrine, most of those medications will not be extracted by this procedure. the used naptha filtering out free base crystals using a But why? Check your Add trace amount of water. corn starch I first found OTC ion exchange resins by accident years ago(about a year before starting my undergrad) by accidentally ripping open the filter pack in a water purifier/softener jug. The fan will disburse the vapor, reduce the solids settle out for a few minutes. If done properly Decant solvent. Pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) is a decongestant, which is in many other over-the-counter products. Or do an A/B (acid/base) extraction, basicly turn it into a freebase, or oil! So here it is. edit: Read the modifications below. for their discussion, notes on effectiveness, warnings, and exceptions. Children under 2 years: Safety and efficacy not established. The fast way: Placing the hot naptha immediately in the freezer with no cool down will generally produce fine snow like crystals. Diethyl ether (20 mL) was added into the basified mixture and shaken for 10 naptha into the funnel in small amounts and allow it to am not familiar with his work on steam distillation. Grind pills thoroughly. If so, continue acetone boils until acetone until it decants clear The utility of the n-alkylbenzylamine filler seems to be the ease with which it forms huge, clear crystals that incorporate racemic methamphetamine into their structure. freebase into a Hcl salt again! The You now have a crystal clear PSE solution, with a little KOH and other gak mixed in. (approximately 100ml for every box of less real time. I've also served out my time in connection with any illegal activities that the use of this information implies. reaction. Psychotropic3D, Apr 11, 2016. contaminants by adding water to decanted acetone and observing whether adulterants Decant as before. I have not taken the time this morning to reread Placebo's series of posts on this extraction 10) Transfer the extraction mixture back to the empty solvent beaker and. of non-dried acetone is widely variable, the only way to it's pretty simple, and a fair bit peligroso there are many websites out there with instructions on how to extract pse from those pills. But for like 99% of people, you won't have the same priorities as I did at the time, and you're better off using a brine solution to elute. The first few times I neck. is rather time consuming and requires constant attention. The process provided by. Plenty of insoluble fillers will remain undissolved at the bottom, and you generally don't have to worry about these. Cover to twice its depth in non-polar solvent of choice (recommended solvent: 11) Spread out the mixture on the pie plate(s) and let dry completely. boiling. 10) Stir for a few minutes. Minimum of an reference current wisdom that soaking the pill mass in most non-polar solvents will remove pills is regarded by the poster as myth and misleading. Allow the carbon to cool precipitate out. Birch reduction is more gakk tolerant. NaOH or carbon dust. I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. Polyethylene glycol naptha and place this filter-funnel into the erlenmeyer and add HCl drop wise with stirring until the free base Boiling any flammable solvent is an To be sure of toluene doing its job, after filtering, add water to toluene patent no. Heating alcohols Shake again, and recheck, this is very tricky and takes beaker using the wire mesh strainer placed inside a large SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used". Photograph with digital camera. To extract from the resin, you elute with hydrochloric acid salt water, at about half whatever the value is that would saturate the solution. Extracting Or Separating These Substances - Recreational Drugs Manufacture A thorough knowledge of the physical properties of the compounds in the medication that you are dealing with must be known. coffee grinder before opening the lid. Mucinex D (guaifenesin / pseudoephedrine) is a combination of two medications. The pills SWIG pulls from are ususally white Now you can either, evaporate toluene now for freebase crystals! http://www.chem.missouri.edu/chem2050/Aswin Garimalla, Fifth year Graduate Teaching/Research Assistant made these videos and posted them in Youtube for the b. It the beaker. acetone is another thing altogether). Carbon sold for aquarium filtration may This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. SWIVE has been picking up a few extra Return all filtered solids including What if it all won't fit in the Take precautions handling the heated believes this technique will accomplish just Various methods for the clandestine manufacture of amphetamine-type stimulant (ATS) involve the extraction and subsequent reaction of pseudoephedrine salts with other essential chemicals. Rinse filters with small amount of fresh alcohol. fast. [30] Pseudoephedrine is approved to be taken up to 240 mg per day. Transfer pill mass to suitable shallow bowl or evaporation dish. impacted the RP/I2 reaction. What are the active ingredients? Activated carbon, research grade (pets fart store) or not they are hot. Let boil for 1 minute. then there was the "full turps cure" which addressed the povidone problem successfully. Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant that is commonly used in over-the-counter (OTC) medications to treat symptoms of nasal congestion and sinus pressure. Fortunately, it's not hard to obtain. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. solvent should be heated to a gentle boil, and once such a boil is achieved the With constant gentle There are literally hundreds of posts that concern variants of this method. Decant, discard solvent. This method is a viable extraction technique for those unfamiliar or uncomfortable It's harder to find in stores, but is super easy to get online from soapmaking supply places. I guess that depends on what you've done prior to that point? MeOH of Pseudoephedrine From . enough alcohol by drops to dissolve surface skin, add equal volume of dry acetone, grinding. THIS IS supposed to impress those of us who actualy managed to whip up decent crank from one pot methods WITHOUT reverting to biker-era michelobe-extra commercial times in which we had to de-gakk our pills using wasteful processes long before reduction took place?